A: We would see both as being precepts of thought. For to experience them must you first think of them.
We would see pleasure as the counter to pain. For if you tell yourself that something is pleasing, then will those centers within the physical body respond in such a way as to reinforce this thought. If, however, you tell yourself that something is painful, then will the body react in such a way as to reinforce that perception.
Neither will be experienced if the mind is not engaged, for the thought must be there for either of these senses to be experienced. We would call these sensations, not feelings or emotions, for they do not involve the emotional center as much as they involve the mental center. For they are physical body sensations and as such must be communicated to the physical body in order for it to respond. That this communication is more mental than physical is true, for even those without a body, but where the mind still functions, can experience these sensations.
Many instances of this have been shown in your reality. For someone who has lost a hand to accident, would still experience pain in the joints, or itching palms where no joints or no palms exist. This is because the mind (the physical mind) is telling the body that sensation must be experienced in this location and so the body tries to obey even though the body part is not available.
So, do you see that the experience is more mental than physical. That this is true for pleasure has also been seen, although not as often. For those whose body’s no longer respond to them due to a breaking of the neck and subsequent spinal cord, would still at times, feel intense pleasure that they say is located in the region of the sexual organs. Yet when tested, there is no response from the body to any “commands” given by the mind, because the mind and the body are disconnected. What they person “felt” was instead a thought. For as we said, both pleasure and pain are sensations of thought and are experienced primarily in the physical mind rather than in the body.
They exist so that they can be experienced.
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A: We would see pain as being a precept of thought. For to experience it must you first think of it. Without the physical mind engaged (with essence and the body) can you not experience pain. However, joy is a state of being, and needs no physicality in order to be experienced. In truth, it is due to the physical nature of your being that joy is more difficult for you to experience. And even if joy is experienced, is it nearly impossible for you to maintain that state for longer than a few moments. For the physical mind becomes overwhelmed and unable to process the volumes of input that usually accompany the achieving of a joyous state. For when achieved, in fullness, are most in touch with essence. By experiencing self in such an intense and personal way, does the very sense of self (ego) fade, leaving room for the joy. However, self (ego) remains and will reassert itself thereby occluding the sense of euphoria and joy just achieved.
Therefore, is it difficult for any not free of the physical plane to experience joy except in brief glimpses.
Pain, however, is a type of thought based in fear. For if you told someone that touching them with a feather will hurt, and they believe you, then when touched in that manner will they feel/sense pain.
The body reacts to the thought, and not the other way around. Therefore, if the mind is “frozen” and unable to send the thought to the body that the feather will cause pain, then will the body not react and the body will feel nothing—neither pain nor other sensation, for the mind is not telling it that it should.
If what the questioner is truly referring to is joy and fear, then would we say that both are states of being. For fear is that state wherein the energies are compressed and compacted, and all linkings to love/agape and joy are withdrawn.
This an extreme example, true, but it gives you an idea of the difference. For fear is a withdrawing from the light, while joy and love are an opening to the light.
Fear is an experience sought by sentient beings just as joy and love are. For in our natural state (and we speak of all of us), are we neither good nor bad, joyous or fearful, we simply are.
So do we create for ourselves a state of being and its opposite so that we can experience these and understand them.
Suppose someone would say to you, “What does yellow taste like?” You could not answer for you have never tasted a color. That is the challenge then. To question, then create, then experience. So first would we create yellow, then would we create a means by which to taste it, thereby experiencing that which we questioned.
In creating joy and fear, did we (all of us) also wonder and question as to the different ways in which they could be experienced. To that end, did we (all) create the numerous worlds and planes and means through which we (all) could then experience these different states.
On the physical plane do you use the constructs and precepts available to you to experience and investigate the different levels of fear and love—the different tastes and different colors of these two states of being.